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May 13, 2011

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freedml

The original biblical text may be better translated in modern English as 'mystery' but the German word Geheimnis means 'a secret.'

Bob Thomas

Thanks for the clarification.
— RDT

freedml

You'll have to be more specific about where 'victory' appeared incorrectly in the supertitles because the German word 'Sieg' which means 'victory' is there repeatedly in that movement. My argument would be with 'hoelle' being translated as 'grave' instead of 'hell.' As good as Thursday night was, Friday was even better.

Bob Thomas

Sorry, you're right about both points. As I said, it was just a quick glance — don't even know why I looked up. Anyway, it was somewhere in the seven measures right before the beginning of the double fugue — the text in the Schirmer English edition is "Where is thy sting?" and what I saw (I think) was "Lord, where is thy victory?").

Yes, "hoelle" is German for "hell." That the Schirmer translation uses the word "grave" was probably a nod to the cultural convention of the time the translation was made, although I do think that in the context of I Corinthians 15, the Apostle Paul seemed to be talking more of rising from the grave rather than from hell.

Glad to read that you enjoyed Friday night. I often find that second performances are better than the first but it must have been special to top Thursday. Thanks for writing.
— RDT

MattS

Thank you for your very well-written review. I was thrilled by last night's (Friday) concert. Most amazing. And since my mom passed away just a few months ago (and actually had intended to go to this concert), the themes and powerful performances hit home with me in a big way. It was quite an emotional experience.

The 15 seconds of silence at the end of each piece was powerful. To watch the musicians sitting completely still, and then to see my fellow audience members (some of whom, like me, who were quite moved) was quite of moment. I am curious...was this silence a Dudamel addition to these pieces? Were they originally written into the pieces?

One other comment...I found Mark Swed's dismissive review of the Brahms piece (though he liked the performances) kind of odd. Sounded like he never liked this piece in the first place. Not sure why he would have been the one to review it, if he walked through the door with that perspective.

freedml

I think I have the translation they used for the supertitles. It says "O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?"

Bob Thomas

Thanks. Yes, that's what the translation is supposed to say. It's not what I remember I saw but, as I said in the note, what I saw was just a glance.
— RDT

Bob Thomas

Thanks for your kind words on what was clearly an emotional — and, I hope, cathartic — evening for you.

The silence at the end isn't written into the score; it was simply one of those special interactive moments between the audience and the performers.

RE: Mark Swed. The issue of reviewing a piece with which you don't particularly connect is something that vexes all critics from time to time (by the way, the reverse can be true, as well — you can so love a piece that you'll overlook any flaws that you might otherwise note). Although The Times uses several critics on a freelance basis, Mark is the paper's only staff critic and I'm sure he felt that it was important to review this concert. He did put aside his feelings about the Requiem to comment — albeit briefly — on the performances. Not every critic in a similar situation remembers to do even that.
— RDT

freedml

This 'holding thing' at the end of a movement or piece can be dramatic and effective, but it is now all too often overused and cliche. More often than not, the conductor doing this will diminish the audience reaction.

Bob Thomas

So far, I've never been anything but moved or impressed by the "holding thing," as you described it. Quite the contrary. Nonetheless, thanks for commenting ... and reading.
— RDT

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